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Creative Storytelling in Project Management: Tanya Boyd's Journey from Swamps to Boardrooms

• Walt Sparling • Season 1 • Episode 62

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Ever wondered how a unique blend of creativity and nature can transform project management? Tanya Boyd, our guest on the PM Mastery Podcast, reveals her journey from the swamps of Louisiana to her current role with CORBEAU. 

Her innovative "Tales from the Swamp" approach to communication within organizations is a testament to her storytelling roots and her knack for thinking outside the box. Tanya's life story, woven with childhood inspirations and a love for country music, paints a vivid picture of how personal passions can fuel professional success. 

Tanya opens up about the challenges of balancing creativity with the demands of project management and social media, all while reflecting on her life as an only child. Her journey takes us through the ups and downs of maintaining focus amidst the everyday disruptions of working from home. Tanya discusses her creative process and the tools she employs, including AI technologies and the Canva Magic Eraser, to overcome obstacles and enhance her workflow. By sharing her strategies for setting realistic goals, she offers valuable insights into adapting to life's changing circumstances. 

Nature and music play pivotal roles in Tanya's creative inspiration, providing rejuvenation and mental clarity through quite time and exercise. Her reflections on the power of nature as a teacher, much like Einstein perceived it, are both compelling and inspirational. Tanya also shares her plans to leverage her LinkedIn marketing, highlighting the importance of personal well-being in driving creativity. This episode invites listeners to explore the fascinating intersection of personal growth and professional innovation, all while benefiting from Tanya's wealth of experience and insights. 

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Intro/Outro:

Welcome to the PM Mastery Podcast. This podcast is all about helping you master your project management skills by sharing tips, tricks, tools and training to get you to the next level, while sharing the stories of other project managers on their journey in project management. And now here's your host, walt Sparling.

Walt Sparling:

Welcome everybody to the current edition of PM Mastery, and today I have with me Tanya Boyd. Welcome, tanya.

Tanya Boyd:

Thank you, Walt.

Walt Sparling:

Glad to be here, glad to have you. So what I want to do is start out with you telling us a little bit about who you are as a person family, hobbies, things like that.

Tanya Boyd:

So well. I am a resident of Lafayette, louisiana, which is known as the Cajun country. In Lafayette Live very close to the swamps of Louisiana, the Atchafalaya Basin Bridge that connects Baton Rouge to Lafayette. So weekend hobbies for me has been going out kayaking and practicing my photography. Some of my favorite subjects are the sunsets, the alligators and a wide variety of birds. So that's a little bit about the hobbies. Other things that I enjoy doing I enjoy singing and karaoke, and also love anything creativity related, whether it is creating courses or even creative cooking. So, and then, of course, that spare time that we all have to a bit of project management, yes so you do um your creativity.

Walt Sparling:

I've seen a lot of your photographs and I'm a big waterfall guy, so I love your. Your waterfall stuff and your your alligator shots are really cool. I've seen some great ones in the swamp with the sun kind of setting in the background At the. In the show notes I'm going to include a link to your website and I encourage everyone to go out there and check out some of your work. They get some great prints from from the work that you've done. Now, speaking of creativity, you have something called Inspire Creative Consulting. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Tanya Boyd:

Yeah. So Inspire Creative Consulting was a company name that I formed about a year ago. The idea behind it, or the tagline, is bold ideas beyond the box. My vision is just to work with different project managers, different leaders and different organizations to help them think more creatively and their communications, their interactions with one another, and just really drive those communications to uncover different layers. I guess that can lead to organization breakthroughs, because to me even you know, the project management is 90% communication, but if we're always saying the exact same thing and not thinking creatively, then we may not uncover new solutions that we need to tap into to get our work done.

Walt Sparling:

Yeah, we don't want to get too boxed in by processes. Tales from the swamp.

Tanya Boyd:

So you want to hear a story about that.

Walt Sparling:

Well, yes, because I know this is something you have done and I think you're doing here soon with your local PMI chapter.

Tanya Boyd:

Yes. So Tales from the Swamp is a really, really interesting story, if I track it back to an origin story of how this all even came about. In April of I guess it was April of 2023, I was at PMI's Leadership Institute meeting and during that meeting, which it was for volunteers from PMI where they can meet, share peer-to-peer learning, at that particular meeting I was delivering a presentation called Gumbo your strategic I don't remember how I call it Gumbo your strategic strategy for spicing up your speaker series. So that was all about my time in a leadership role with the PMI Baton Rouge chapter and in that role I was in charge to some extent of finding speakers for our virtual events. One of those my friend Jeremiah Hammond that you're familiar with he was one of those speakers as well, but I was successfully able in the years after COVID, to secure a wide variety of virtual speakers for the chapter. So Gumbo was telling the story. Well, one of the outcomes of that was there was leaders from the San Francisco chapter that were there and they liked that presentation. So they approached me about a month later and said, hey, would you be willing to present for us virtually on project management and storytelling? So that was it? That was kind of the baseline that I got and, of course, me not having an exact plan, I said, sure, that sounds like a lot of fun. I'll do that. And I was able to secure that for later down the road. I believe they asked me sometime in June and I told him. I said, look, even with some of the things I had going on in 2023, I said I can present this to y'all in the beginning of 2024.

Tanya Boyd:

The way that my life played out I was going to the swamps that I told you about a lot on the weekends. That, for me, was kind of away from project management. It was a nice sunset, it was an opportunity to get outdoors and breathe and enjoy. And so I kept thinking about, okay, how am I going to do storytelling and project management? And somewhere in my brain, I started thinking about the fact that it would be really fun to set this against the backdrop of a swamp.

Tanya Boyd:

And then I started thinking about the word swamp, as goofy as it sounds. I started thinking about well, aren't we all swamped in our jobs? We're inundated, we're underwater, I'll get back to you, I'm swamped. So I started building upon that and, about this same time, too, I started playing a lot more with chat GPT, although I was on the original version of Ask AI, and so it was just an evolution. You know, by the time that October rolled around, which I knew I was going to have a presentation beginning of 2024, I had settled on the idea of the swamp being the story, started using a lot of chat GPT and just assembled all of the images and all of the thought processes using chat GPT to help me build out that presentation. So that was the origin story of that, which later led to Delta Dawn, which that came about in a different instance, but it was somebody asking me to create it and tell my story of how I use AI creatively.

Walt Sparling:

So Good deal. Yeah, and you're. You're presenting the Tales from the Swamp.

Tanya Boyd:

Yes, that's going to be next Monday night for the Mid-America KC chapter and then on Wednesday I'm going to the PMI New Orleans chapter and doing Delta Dawn, which Delta Dawn is a bit more of a personal story on building tales from the swamp, but also how I've used AI for my photography and when I say photography, all my pictures on my website are my own pictures, with the exception of one album that's specifically called Swamp Tales and it features more cartoonish Cajun alligator characters, you know, with their beverages and having fun in the sunset. And I've also started using AI a bit to help build course creation and just different content creation as well. So some of that will be kind of a live demonstration for that chapter on how to use it in real time.

Walt Sparling:

This will be now the Monday. One would be pre me posting this, but are either one of these going to be available online?

Tanya Boyd:

is like guests can connect, because I know our chapter does that I think the I think the one with casey, mid america, will probably be videotaped, um the one in new orleans, they're. They're probably not going to videotape that one being in person, but I do have a recording of the Delta Dawn that was done through a company called Talent Shader and that one's on a YouTube channel that I have available as well, definitely want to get a link to that too.

Walt Sparling:

We'll include that in the show notes as well. Okay, so you've got all these side ventures that you're doing and some pretty cool stuff. What do you do for work?

Tanya Boyd:

So lately. So earlier this year I was in a role where I was helping an author named Christopher Connor promote his third book on emotional intelligence, so that was a contract role and a huge testament to LinkedIn. I have known Christopher from LinkedIn since 2019. He wound up speaking for our professional development day last year and then last year, when he found out I had been impacted by a tech layoff, he started talking to me about the fact that his third book was coming out and that he would love to get my unique twist on things to help him with his marketing. So that was part of this year. And then very recently, I've started work with a company called Corbo. So Corbo Tech. They've got their Project Success Academy. They've also got a mobile app called Crow's Nest. Right now I'm starting as an educational instructor for their Project Success Academy.

Walt Sparling:

Cool, and that was just recently.

Tanya Boyd:

Yeah, that was very this month. I think, I'm just adapting quickly.

Walt Sparling:

You've got a lot going on. I see your posts all the time and they're all over. I mean you've got so many things that you're working on.

Tanya Boyd:

I have so many people giving me the advice too that I need a niche down, and I know that that is probably very true and very relevant because of the level of me doing so many different things. I've been told that that can cause confusion, you know, but sometimes, sometimes for me, I think I'm a little bit on the Renaissance I'm going to call it the Renaissance plan where I I'm an ENFP by Myers-Briggs terms, which means I like doing a lot of different activities, I like doing a variety of things. So I'm probably not the best at niching down, you know, but some of this has given me an opportunity to try on the different hats and really see what I like and how I want to reinvent myself for the future, because I think I think reinvention is important, especially the economy that we've had ever since the pandemic and a lot of people being laid off and not knowing where the next gig is going to come from. I think taking some of those risks and chances are really important actually.

Walt Sparling:

Well, one of the. It was interesting because I was recently having a conversation with someone about an individual who's very famous and who's got his hands in like 10 different things. You know, he's especially like four or five major things and is being very successful at it, and that's Elon Musk. So I mean mean incredible projects and he's he's doing all of them very well. You know from what I know. So right, so why? Why do you do all this stuff? You can focus on any one if you want, or you can, or you can just kind of cover a little bit on each I think it keeps me entertained.

Tanya Boyd:

I mean, I don't know how to put it otherwise and sometimes I try to track that creativity back. I you know, maybe some of it is my upbringing. I'm an only child, you know. I grew up in the 80s, so as an only child it was a lot of it. I had to, I had to entertain myself, you know, and I had to keep myself amused. And I think even when I grew up like I grew up listening to old country music and the storytellers you know that was what my parents listened to. So I think I grew up just listening to all these storytellers and absorbing some of it and it was always fascinating to me.

Tanya Boyd:

And even as I'm moving more into, like, the education space or even the speaking space, a lot of it and a lot of the zaniness with the tales and the uniqueness. I feel like I'm tying it back to my grade school years, because I remember when I would go to school like I'd phase out really quickly unless the teacher was entertaining. So it always wound up being the ones that had the unique, slightly strange spin on things that I paid attention to and I learned the most from and even with, like the Tales from the Swamp or the Delta Dawn. It wasn't this complete intentional effort to start with. It really started with somebody else's idea for me and asking me. But the further I got into the process I realized oh, I'm having a really good time with this. You know, I think I'm onto something here and you, you know.

Walt Sparling:

So that's just kept my creativity and imagination going this year, I think is what drives me yeah, well, you got to have that drive because you, like we said, you have a lot of stuff going on. How do you now you, you have your handle your hands in a lot of different things, so the photography, the training, you're helping a friend with marketing, and then, of course, you've got project management, so and you do social media posts and you've created great stories for your presentations. How do you continue to learn to kind of keep up with all these various things that you do?

Tanya Boyd:

It comes in stages, like with everybody. I mean I don't think that there's a perfect equation for anybody, necessarily, but I do follow a lot of different branders and influencers to my life and my parameters, because I'm not always going to be the person that's going to have 50 direct messages out every single morning or be connecting with 50 new people every day, as much of a communicator and an extrovert as I am. If I feel boxed into that corner or that I have to get all of that done before 830 in the morning, it creates this pressure in my head that I can't sustain. And I'm hearing more and more and more people that are communicators on LinkedIn vocalizing that as well. So for me, I just try to keep consistent at least about three days a week with the post. If I can do more, I do more Weekends usually. If I'm posting, it's usually about my swamp adventures Because, again, it's hard for me to say, okay, I want to respond to 100 people by noon on my Saturday morning. You know, that's just not always where I'm at at this certain stage in my life, you know.

Tanya Boyd:

So, like I said, it's I feel like it's for each of us as we go through different stages it changes. So I tell people do what works for you. If you're trying to build up and you're trying to hit certain goals, do it incrementally. It's the same thing with exercise, which I used to be phenomenal at, and I'm trying to figure out how to go back to where I was in 2022. But it's literally just putting one foot in front of the other and not saying I have to get 10,000 steps today. Well, no, if you get 5,000 and it was a crazy day you got 5,000. Maybe you can hit 7,000 tomorrow. It doesn't need to be in one jump.

Walt Sparling:

Little bites. So, speaking of that, challenges so with the various things you've got going on, whether it be work or personal, do you have any recent challenges that you could share?

Tanya Boyd:

all the time. Okay, well, you know part of it too, and part of my story that I didn't go into earlier. There's and there's a lot of people that do know this about me. So I grew up in Lafayette, you know. We lived here until I was 12. We moved to Houston because my dad was in the oil field. When the oil field went down in the late 80s, we moved to a place called Mandeville and then I went to college at LSU in Baton Rouge, and I didn't leave Baton Rouge for 20-something years. So I moved back to Lafayette in 2019 to help my dad out as an only child. It was several years after my mom passed, you know.

Tanya Boyd:

So he's 76, and every day there's challenges. I mean, some of them are worse than others. He's in good health right now, you know, but just even different things with working from home, inconsistency, other people in the home and standardizing. You know like this may be a really, really, really goofy instance, but we've got extraordinarily high ceilings and we've got a lot of different fire alarms in the house and when the batteries go off, they chirp really, really loudly. Well, one of them started chirping last night at about two o'clock and we've got to get a six foot ladder to get up there to you know. So challenges today, not much sleep, because neither one of us went and got the six foot ladder at 2 am in the morning.

Tanya Boyd:

I don't know if that's the greatest challenge to share, I think for some of us just even regular life, you know regular life sometimes, and navigating, and when people have kids that get sick at school and they have to pick them up, and it's different from what it was before the pandemic, or when you're helping elderly parents, or scenarios are different sometimes there's there's those different challenges and even when we have storms, like it has been nothing major here, but like a lot of times, if we have a storm, the electricity is out. So just adapting quickly to that and going okay, I have the stuff I need to get done today. Let me pack up my laptop, leave the house, find somewhere in town that does have electricity.

Walt Sparling:

So All valid challenges. And, speaking of ladders tools, what are some of your favorite tools that you use throughout the through the day, through either your work or your hobbies?

Tanya Boyd:

So the past few years and it has been creative, like the LinkedIn journey. I love Canva for that, but over the past year I have been learning a lot about chat, gpt, so I use a lot for idea generation and I will toss out a really, really, really great tip. I think it's a great tip to anybody who is wanting to use AI for their image posts but frustrated by the fact that it cannot spell on images. There's a way that you can use Canva to fix that. So if you're in Dolly or Image Generator and you're wanting to do a project management post and it's got the word project management but it's forgetting the E, all you have to do is download the image from Dolly, upload it into Canva. If you're using that, there's a tool called Magic Eraser on there. You erase the words and then you text them back in where you can spell it correctly.

Walt Sparling:

Now, is this like when you found out about this? Is this like a video that's available out there the how to do it?

Tanya Boyd:

No, I just I figured out the Magic of rice and I, especially with the tales from the swamp, I was getting super agitated because it I'd have to manage when I was hitting those buckets every three or four hours to get enough images. But somewhere along the lines I figured out, okay, let me try to modify this in Canva and I realized, okay, I can, I can maybe do that and gloss over some of the gibberish that they've got for the spelling. It's better than what it used to be, but it's still. I don't know if you've noticed that about the image generators, that it doesn't spell right.

Walt Sparling:

I've only done a few and I typically don't do text. I've just started experimenting with some of the other features of AI and about a month ago I just sat around one day and just started trying coming up with all kinds of descriptions saying create a, create a, an AI image of this and it's amazing. It's amazing what it creates. You describe, like I was, like you know, show me a sports car that's red, low to the ground, gave it some description and then, boom, I'm like that's crazy, that's just crazy it's it is and it's there's limitations with it, like I know for a while.

Tanya Boyd:

If, if something's copyrighted like I was joking around with it one day I had um, I had been involved in a professional development day and there were volume challenges on my computer that day that I was able to get through it eventually, but it definitely caused a gap in the programming.

Tanya Boyd:

So I was aligning this to feeling like the gremlins were in the machine. But when I got in a dolly and I was trying to create gremlins, it was like we can't do that because of copyright. But we can create you something that might look kind of like a gremlin. Would that be okay, you know? So you have to work within those things, but it is. It's fun to play with at times and see what it came up with. Like when I was doing the swamp tales I just once I got it into a state of flow. I was having a really, really good time with it. But when you're trying to do people, you know it's almost like you have to put on more of a mindful and inclusive hat when you're doing people, because it will get some things wrong sometimes in there.

Walt Sparling:

To like not query, it's not the right word, but give it better descriptors to get their faces better or not blurred or different things of that nature ai does some incredible stuff, but no matter whether you're doing images or write-ups, I mean, I use it for a lot of brainstorming things and creating, like you were. We had talked about earlier course, course outlines and maybe book chapter summaries, things like that. But, all of it. Really, the quality comes down to how well you prompt.

Tanya Boyd:

True, and I will say that PMI has got some good courses on that. I really they've come out with three different courses. I liked the third one that they came out with, the talking to AI, the prompt engineering, that one had more frameworks in place, that people could come out with an actual workbook and apply it easier, you know. And then, of course, there's a lot of other resources out there too for training or just even. I think even talking to the people that are using it and hearing about their use cases and learning from them is great. So canva.

Walt Sparling:

canva is new to me. I mean, I've known canva for years and I've I've looked at it in the past, but I never had a huge reason to use it. And now I've been recently starting to create carousels. So I just I reached out to a couple of different people about what they use and everybody's like, oh, canva, canva, canva. And I struggled with it in the beginning and then I finally just buckled down. I think I started using it last week and today I think I finally finished my first carousel through that. The first one I did, I used an AI app, but now I kind of feel like I'm on a roll.

Tanya Boyd:

So I want to see what other kind of things have you used the bulk create? So, for instance, there's something called bulk create in there, like, if you want to schedule posts, like let's say, you want to do a weekly post of a certain theme, you can create that in Canva, you know, and you can actually import Excel spreadsheets. So let's say, for instance, you've got a topic that you're passionate about. You use ChatGPT to ask it the questions or come up with, like let's just say, come up with 52 different ideas on this topic. You can download that into Excel, upload that into Canva and once you find your template that you want, you can do bulk create and it will create all of those for you, rather than you having to go in 50 different times and 50 different touch points oh wow, if you're doing stuff on linkedin, I mean, are you using the um linkedin scheduler feature?

Walt Sparling:

yes, okay, okay, I'm right now. I'm the one I'm doing I want to use as a template, with maybe a few changes to it, but I have four posts in mind. I'm actually writing blog posts and then I'm going to market them on LinkedIn through a carousel and it's kind of my end of year goal planning and self-assessment stuff that I'm doing. I just got started on it this week, so I'm thinking now I'm going to manually go through and just change the stuff, but I like that for maybe next year, because I want to be more, I want to post more, and automation is definitely something I like to do if possible.

Tanya Boyd:

Agreed, agreed, and it's.

Tanya Boyd:

You know, for me too, with the automation, sometimes it's just keeping up with it. I mean like, for instance, if you're using that scheduler on LinkedIn, just even knowing that you're available within that first hour of it posting to respond back to the comments, you know so sometimes they tell you like I've read or heard different things that it's between eight and nine, but I think that's based off of Eastern time. I'm on CST, you know. So sometimes I don't try to keep up with it that hard because I feel like I'm architecting myself in a box, like I know that that kind of stuff helps, but at the same time I'm like I don't know that I need to be answering 500 comments in a day. I don't know how much else I would get done if that's not my primary role or reason for doing it. You know, like, if I don't have this complete lead funnel worked out yet, because I have a lot of people approach me on that and try to sell, you know we can teach you how to get all of these leads. It's yeah.

Tanya Boyd:

There's other priorities that I need to yeah.

Walt Sparling:

This is a knockout first. My job is my, my, my. You know my job and my personal life and family are number one. Uh, this stuff is something I do and enjoy, but yeah, I like how to do this stuff is something. I do and enjoy, but yeah, I like how to do this stuff and and then doing it myself and then it you know when I grow and get bigger. Yeah, yeah, I'll think about that exactly, and so.

Walt Sparling:

So one of my favorite questions and everyone typically has a really interesting answer to this Do you have a cool? Did you know?

Tanya Boyd:

I have quite a few. Let's see. Did you know that Albert Einstein credited nature as being one of the greatest teachers? Did you know that Albert Einstein credited nature as being one of the greatest teachers? So I happened to cross that phrase and it really, really resonated with me because, for me personally, I feel like when I can get out in nature whether it's in the swamps, or even if I just go outside for a walk to slow myself down and listen for the birds and see the nature around me that that's when I get some of my more creative thought processes.

Walt Sparling:

I like it. Yeah, I think, not only just the teaching, but thinking about a lot of the photography you do. I'm getting ready to go on a retreat where a buddy of mine and I we used to do a road trip every year. We're getting a cabin in North Carolina in the mountains, and it's about just chilling, just sitting on the balcony and having coffee in the morning or a bourbon at night around a campfire and it's just, I know, for me, my mind. I usually come back from those trips with just notepad full of ideas and things that I want to do now, because I've let my brain get away from the daily grind and it's all about getting out in nature.

Tanya Boyd:

Absolutely and exercise. When I used to be better about exercise. I used to love kickboxing. I fell off of it. Boxing I fell off of it and I got very sick in 2022 with COVID. That it kind of wound up being long COVID for a while afterwards and was enough to really throw me off my game for a while. But I used to kick box at least five times a week and I would be in the middle of kickboxing and thinking of the moves and almost wanting to stop and go text myself an idea Like they were used to me, like running off the mat and then go and do something, or coming back on the mat and singing while kickboxing.

Walt Sparling:

But that was like, for some reason, even that intense activity just unlocked ideas and one day I need to get back to that when I go to the gym and not enough, but when I I'll do warm-up or cool down by walking, that they have an indoor track and I'll do that, and usually 20 minutes to a half an hour just walking around, and it's nice because down here it's super hot and it's air conditioned. So but I have so many ideas, or I'll listen to a podcast on there and that'll give me ideas, and then when I'm done walking I'll sit down somewhere on a bench and I'll write out some notes or thoughts. And sometimes it's just being quiet, I'll just listen to music and I come up with ideas.

Tanya Boyd:

What's your favorite music to listen to that gives you ideas.

Walt Sparling:

For me, I like instrumental music, what I call focus music. I have actually in Amazon, I've created a focus track of a bunch of different, um different songs or not, say songs, but musical, I don't know what. Would you call them music? I guess songs, but they're just not. They're not singing, it's just music uh is an artist.

Walt Sparling:

I, I've listened to a lot. I like their stuff, um. So yeah, I don't. I don't like words, because to me the words a lot of songs tell a story and then you get into the story and then that takes you away from what you were focusing on. That's why I just liked the music and it helps drown out noises around me as well.

Tanya Boyd:

If I'm an intense activity, like if I'm, it depends. I mean, obviously if I'm, it depends on me. Now, obviously if I'm recording, I can't listen to music. But if I'm doing creative work and this is really really weird because it almost goes against what you're saying but like really loud music with words motivates me. And it's the strangest thing, Cause, like I don't like loud sounds, Like loud sounds will startle me, unless it's music. I mean, I can be on like Metallica, level 25, you know, and it's like why doesn't this distract me, you know? But like pans clanging and all can't deal with it. But like if I get in a creative flow where I'm writing a lot, I will just throw on music and jam out, and it's like I get off in my own world that nobody else can break into. Now I'll use.

Walt Sparling:

I'll use that kind of music for, like, if I'm doing, for some reason, housework. You know like, my wife went away for the weekend, so now I've been home for three days and, all right, she's going to be home in two hours, crank up the music and get the dishes done, put away everything you know, whatever it for that. Yeah, I don't care if it has lyrics, as long as it's got an upbeat nature to it and it kind of gets keeps me, keeps me going. But for concentration, I like the instrumental, only Instrumental. Okay, awesome. So I'm going to try to put together when I go through and edit this, try to pull out all of the different things we talked about. Like, I'm going to put a link to your linkedin, link to your website. Um, I'll put some links to tools like canva and what. What ai do you use?

Tanya Boyd:

use uh open ai chat, just the chat okay, it's the paid description yeah I use an app the link for um. I can send you the link for delta dawn and I can send you one. Um, there's a few people that videotaped the swamp tales. I know that pmi central arkansas has got one, so I can send that one. Because, as crazy as it sounds, swamp Tales is almost about emotional intelligence and teams too. It's somewhere in between storytelling, emotional intelligence, bridging the gaps and bringing people together and being nice type of thing.

Walt Sparling:

So but no, I think that I really would like to see that. So, yeah, if you can send me those links, I'll include those in the show notes as well. And it's been a pleasure chatting with you. I didn't ramble too much did I sometimes I go you did, did fine, you did okay. Lots of information there, good conversation and hopefully we'll we'll get together again and maybe have another conversation in the future.

Tanya Boyd:

That sounds good. And if you need anything on Canva too, you know, just let me know. I'm glad to hop on here sometime and like show you different. You know anything that can kind of help with that or go through it. I like Canva and I'm in there quite a bit. Same thing with ChatGPT too.

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